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Suicidal Tendencies Interview
TIS = Indie Spiritualist
DP = Dean Pleasants
EM = Eric Moore
TIS: It’s a really nostalgic tour you’ve put together here. You have the Cro-Mags, the DRIs, the Underdogs… who, including you, are die-hard veterans! How has the tour experience been for you so far?
DP: The guy is awesome. An obscure sort, as tours usually are, but a lot of fun. We call the bus we’re on a “submarine”, we go underwater and we come out at gigs. Every day the crowd is different but it’s always fun. We’ve been playing No Mercy records as well as Suicidal Army and other old stuff, so the crowd is really enjoying it and so are we. We’re really getting into our niche right now, which usually happens after the tour ends. We are all bonding and having a lot of fun.
TIS: Is it me, or do you tend to shy away from touring with a lot of new “punk/hardcore” bands?
DP: Not really, we just do what works for us. We did a few shows recently with Deftones.
EM: Yeah and we toured with Lamb of God a while back. We tour with a lot of new bands and then we break them up, haha.
DP: We did a few festivals in Europe and it was such a diverse lineup. We did a show with Jay-Z, Missy Elliot, Kiss. They were crazy.
EM: Yes, believe me, it’s diverse. Suicide is very diverse.
TIS: Have you ever skated yourself?
DP: Oh yes, absolutely.
EM: Dean still skates. His board is right there. I used to skate when I was skinny too. Liked all the time. I fall and bust my lip and shit, but I always get right back up.
TIS: Haha, cool. So which board did you grow up on?
DP: Well, when I was a kid, my first board was a little polyurethane, plastic thing when it first came out. That was before skating bowls and stuff. I’m now skating Pep Boards with Monster Wheels and Indy Trucks. I can show you that.
TIS: Yeah that would be great if you don’t mind.
DP: No, not at all!
EM: I always had a Wal-Mart board guy. I had a Wal-Mart board of life. I’ll tell my mom I want one with scoops on both sides and she’ll be like, “No! You can get this $10 board, and you’ll love it”, and I’ll be like, well, I just ride some BMX bikes. Because when you’re a thug growing up, you steal what you love.
DP: So this is my board. This tour is definitely a work in progress and definitely a cruiser. The guys at Rip City (Santa Monica, CA) hooked this up for me. I told them I played in a band with Jim’s brother and they hit it off right away.
EM: Yeah, the only reason that Pep is skateboarding is because Pep is our homeboy.
DP: Yes. I really like to cruise, so on this thing, it’s like two kicks and you can go forever and it’s fast. Before this board, I skated Dogtown and also owned a Santa Monica Airlines Jessie.
TIS: Red. So Suicidal, especially Mike Muir, has noticed a beef with Rage Against the Machine. In fact, he wrote a song called Do What I Tell You, which is a parody of the lyrics of Rage’s song Killing in the Name. Is this still on?
DP: Honestly, I don’t know much about it. We just came from South America where we played with the Rays.
EM: Yes, we played with them. It was just three bands, us, The Mars Volta and Rage.
DP: Yeah and they were great, so I don’t have anything bad to say about them.
EM: But we still have nothing bad to say.
DP: They put on a hell of a show. They were crazy. 50,000 people were knocked unconscious. I mean, we all put on a good show, but Rage put on a good show.
EM: Yes, anger killed it.
TIS: Great. So is it safe to say you don’t play that song anymore, or at least didn’t then?
DP: We definitely didn’t play it there.
EM: It was really a beef between the people, not the band. It wasn’t like we whored their asses or wanted them to come to us.
DP: It was a war of words, with Mike involved. What happened was the band was on tour together, and somebody was on the phone, and somebody punched somebody, and it was actually Tom Fullery. Then they said something funny in an interview about Mike and the band being old or something. Mike asked us if we would mind if he wrote a song about him. He really didn’t want to involve us. I am not angry with those people. So then he wrote Do What You Tell Me, I’m like, well, he’s really mad at them.
So we were going to South America, where we were offered two festivals, one in Chile and the other in San Paulo. Rage’s manager was like, I don’t know if you guys should come or not, but he asked them and they forgot about it for a long time. And the Brazilians said they wanted Suicidal to come, so we went. We got there and saw Tom and Zach and said hi and everything was great.
TIS: Right. What’s the word on the new album? Is there a tentative release date?
DP: Well, we wanted to release the No Mercy/Suicide Army record for the tour because Mike had a vision to finish the record and show people the harsher side of Suicide. We usually play three or four songs in our sets. As far as the new record, it’s really based on timing now because of how the industry and distribution is. We really want to go out now and rebaptize the people who were with us before, as well as show the new generation of kids who we are before we put out a record. We don’t want to leave anything unheard. This is really important for all of us. When you put your heart and soul into something, you want it to be heard. And we will be doing Europe and South America etc. from this US tour.
TIS: Yeah my friend Randy was walking by saying how much he loved the new recording of the No Mercy stuff and what you did with it.
EM: Yeah man, it’s new, hard and fast stuff.
DP: It’s a throwback to the way they recorded a long time ago. Before Suicide, I was originally into an infectious groove and we were used to doing things a certain way, jamming and writing a lot, but Suicide had a formula that made it that way. And we went back to that formula. Mike was doing the hard rhythms and I was playing the solos and the drummer and bass player were doing their thing. It makes for a really different kind of recording. And that’s what we did with No Mercy. When you listen to it, you can hear everyone doing what they do best.
TIS: You mentioned infectious diseases. You guys are playing your first US show in 10 years on November 23rd. Can you talk a little bit about that?
EM: Yeah man, it’s going to be a big show. We’re playing at the House of Blues in Hollywood.
DP: Infectious was able to play in Chile with RATM and The Mars Volta and we had never played there before. We have done some tours in France, Europe and Australia. Infectious’ debut tour was underway for Ozzy.
TIS: Yes I remember that. Is he going to come out and sing therapy with you?
DP: Yeah, and actually, when he shot the video with us, he had a broken leg. We were in Chicago and I will never forget it. Anyone can say what they want about Ozzy, but he’s the nicest guy, he really is.
TIS: So is there any truth to the suicide/LA Sureno Venice 13 gang rumors? You can nod once and no twice if desired.
EM: Haha, oh man.
DP: Haha, well, there are many gangs that claim suicide but I’m not a gang member myself.
EM: Because I wear red…(laughter).
DP: We have a lot of people who are in bands who are also into other things that might not be as tasty. When we play in Ventura, we always have the Hells Angels at our show. We have 1% of biker gangs that commit suicide. They don’t really bother the show, but they are there. When we play Ventura, the whole street is lined up with Hells Angels.
TIS: Sounds crazy.
EM: It’s weird.
DP: Yeah, it’s crazy. So many people like our music and it’s an honor for us. There are a lot of people in prison who like our music and say it helps them through their day so that’s great. For us, touching someone is the most important thing. If you can help someone when they’re having a tough time in their day, it means something. So I don’t know about the gang. It’s crazy and people are definitely doing their thing.
TIS: Cool guys. Thank you for your time.
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